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Based on what what i read about all these comments made here by all these unfortunate people, I'm highly scared to go through it Therefore, i wonder how will WSIB treat me, or handle my case, if i were to refuse WSIB's order not to subject myself to this clearly cruel and biased testing?? WSIB is clearly there to help you get back to work. You should go to all the tests that they ask you to take. They ultimately will help get you back to work, retrain you for something you can do, or if you refuse to cooperate they can make your life miserable.
Jump through the hoops and good luck! Hi Ski, I'm also in the same situation here in Toronto I appreciated reading your comment Also, if you still remember, may you tell us a bit about the tests you were subjected to? Even better, do you remember, the titles of each test you had to take? Many thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you or from anybody else for that matter sometime soon. I will be Anybody Else for today only. I think the only way to get them to agree to accept outside testing is to get your doctor to understand and help you.
They will not go against direct medical advice. They are not stupid people and they know what a liability looks like.
It was no wheres nearly as bad as I feared it would be. It was exhausting and headache inducing, but in a way quite a relief as well. A relief to have it done with and a relief to be able to try to explain what is goingon with me. And they seemed to get it! The medical was pretty straightforward, family and personal history,questions about current symptoms The Dr. The test for physical strength was very simple, Strength in pulling and lifting and carrying.
Heart rate monitoring during it all. Over head work twisting and bending, range of motion tings again. The Psych was actually really good. Started out with my parents and family but then moved to how I am dealing and he was actually complimentary abd positive about how I am managing emotionally, Then there was the stupid skills assesment I flat out told the tester that I considered it a waste of time as I have the perfect job for me already and I WILL get back to full time hours but go ahead and test away.
It turns out that I am extremely well suited to the job I currently have ,surprise surprise. All in all my advice is to just be yourself and be completely frank. I was worried aboutthings that didnt seem to matter.
Like not remembering exact sequence of events and such. Thinking they would be suspicious. Instead they reassured me and accepted my limitations. Truly wishing you all the best, not just for the upcoming testing but for a full recovery! I wonder if that so-called "skill testing" was actually an IQ test you were subjected to?? Do you remember what it was formally called? As mentioned here on this forum, IQ tests are not scientific. Thank you so much, again!
It wasnt an IQ test, it was more of a cognitive reas0ning thing. I hope my reply is not too late for it to help, but I was told often that I should just tell them if anything was uncomfortable, I did so during the physical abilities tests, a number of times actually as I have some hip issues and neck problems and some of the tests were not suited to those issues, I simply said no to them, explaining that I have learned to avoid such tasks unless I wanted to be walking with a cane next week.
The tester made notes but seemed to accept that as reasonable. I also reccomend signing the form neccessary to reciev copies of your assesments results. They should provide you with the paperwork for that. If not ask at the reception. I havent gotten mine yet but when I do I should be able to see if there was any negative effect from my refusal to do some of the exercises.
I hope not as one of the catch 22 type issues is that I literally dont have the strength to do any fighting with any one. And there is no one but me to do whatever fighting might be needed. That is a very difficult place to be and I wish that it could be different. I wish there was an advocate that could help us , be on OUR side , that is why this forum is so imprtant. We have at kleast got some support! And the good news for me, is that i don't have to go to cam-h after all, as wsib had, finally, accepted an assessment report done for me previously by a psychologist.
Meanwhile, i clearly hear you as to how all alone, defenseless and vulnerable many of us here in the injured workers community are, and yes, this forum, indeed, is very supportive and ease our pain through beautiful, humble members like yourself. And i belive you can receive much more support, hence feel much more enpowered and positive if you were to attend weekley injured workers' gathering refreshments served hosted by http: I am so glad you had success!
I am certain that is an indicator of the future for you! I have recently been diagnosed with significant brain injury. This has caused me to have various mental health problems and personality changes. I went to have the tests which took approx 7 hours. The person who carried out the tests introduced herself as a Neuropsychologist who is employed by the Health service here in the U. The tests were similar to the ones described in this forum. Once everything was completed a man came in and introduced himself as " my psychologist " it turns out the lady who carried out my assessment is actually a student who hasn't much experience.
I Could not understand or believe it " I wonder what my test results and the report are going to say and who actually carries out the assessment of her findings. It should be good reading and then I will F. B file in bin my copy as it won't be correct. Now I'm more anxious than normal. After intensive neuropsychology testing I was so sick that I needed 2 weeks bed rest.
It was brutal and I was re-traumatize and victimized. Brutality of assessment and wording I do not have words to describe it. Good luck to all of you!!! My name is Edward and I had this test and wore a hidden camera to record it in case I wanted to review it again. I also discovered that this test is secretive so I am exposing it! Here is how it goes. First they are going to give you a TOMM test. This test is a succession of fifty pictures that are shown to you 2 to 3 seconds apart until the end of all fifty pics.
Then you are shown these pics in random order mixed in with other pics and you have to choose the fifty shown the first time. They will do this several times during testing. This is a lie test as an industry standard. Investigate this test online and try not to be outraged. Truth be told I could not pass this test and I was called a liar. Test 2 is you are given fifty words to repeat and you have to recite back as many words as you can remember. This test is repeated several times. Very hard when you have memory problems. Test 3 you are given metal pegs to put in holes in a board, first with right hand then left.
Test 4 is arranging colored squares in shapes by color or making shapes shown to you then mixed up. This will happen several times during testing. Once you have been shown this pic you will not be shown it again but will be asked several times during testing to draw that pic. This will done several times during testing. Test 7 is a squeeze test. You are given a pressure measuring device to see how hard you can squeeze it Test 8 is done on the computer. You are shown that all you have to do is match the colored shapes up with their partner, then told by the tester "I can't tell you much about this test so just take it".
After matching a few colored shapes the computer starts telling you your wrong and the goal is for you to figure out the changing match sequences such as not color and shape but now just color then changing again to just shape. This is done in pairs of shapes also. Test 9 is vocabulary testing. And ever increasing words you never use in daily activities but are expected to know and how to use it in a sentence correctly.
Test 10 is doing the maze maps like your kids get with a crayon in a restaurant. Special instructions are do not lift your pen once you start. Test 11 is identifying colors and shapes.. There are a few more tests but they are all along these lines. This test is a sham for all the people like me who was rear ended while sitting at a red light stopped, by a woman in a ford raptor pick-up so HIGH that when she hit us she took our trunk out all the way to the back window. Air bags did not deploy and I smashed my head into the steering wheel twice and was knocked out.
PLUS there were all the other injuries that I and my wife suffered. Nobody in this industry or should I call it field of medicine knows their arrogant ass from a hole in the ground. These tests do not even test what is wrong with me. Scientific test my left nut! The reason I feel this testing is the way it is, is because it is NOT in the best interest of insurance companies and the government because of injured vets--they would have to pay you if you have a TBI, so they try really hard to prove you don't have one!
I agree with the man who said bring a family member with photos, degrees, certificates, letters of promotion or of commendations, grade reports, activities. You have to remember you are a case NOT a human being to these arrogant pricks. Even my neurologist called the guy a quack. Keep fighting or these charlatains will ooze over you and defeat you. It sounded to me like a way for these doctors to soak insurance companies. I'm sure if I didn't have insurance and very little money, I wouldn't be sent for the test.
Should i get a brain test? I must say for myself, my neuropsych testing was very beneficial, however I will point out that I am not trying to prove I have issues to insurance, disability, work or anyone else I am just trying to determine how best to cope with the issues I have and work around them so that I may find a job which will suit my new normal.
The neuropsychologist I work with does not take insurance cases, disability cases or any other case that is trying to prove something to someone she calls them cases with a "legal" purpose. She only takes in cases that sincerely want help for their own reasons and want to learn how to cope with and maybe improve whatever their weaknesses are and capitalize on their strengths. My testing identified issues with executive control, visual memory and attention but strengths in many other areas.
My suggestion to anyone with concerns about an IME or other forced neuropsych testing is get your OWN testing you, or your insurance, pay the neuropsychologist and that serves 2 purposes: Is Neuropsychology used for treatment for brain "issues" other than TBI's?
They will not go against direct medical advice. I used to be a practicing general and vascular surgeon before I suffered a major stroke - at age Melisa rated it really liked it Feb 18, I think it was fair and done correctly. Is this the new thing- that no amphetamine can be prescribed unless the patient sees a neuropsychologist? That's is ridiculous to rely on this test for anyone's care and treatment.
Can it be beneficial for a person who has Neurofibroma tumors in the brain? I happened upon this site while looking for information on my husband's upcoming testing. It does feel so very, very lonely! I see similarities between your husband's "case" and that of my boyfriend. He also had a tbi more than 10 years ago. He "recovered" I highly doubt that he was anywhere near where he was before the accident but I didn't know him then and he went back to work within one year. Following that, his then wife said he had "changed" and was now angrier and they divorced.
Poor guy didn't see that coming, but my research has shown that many realtionships break up post tbi. He went on with his life, not knowing really what had happened to him or that he was "different". Until he met me. We have had a good, loving relationship but he has anger and mood swing issues that I would classify as moderate to severe.
He started to decline and then became unable to work due to stress and increasing inability to manage tasks. Even HE doesn't know how he got by in the last ten years! There have been tests and doctors and This man had an industrial garage door come unhinged at work and fall on his head and he is permanently damaged and he has to PROVE that he has functioning issues?! I am helping him as best I can. And we are going to fight WSIB! Hi, I recently underwent a neuropsych test. I was told it was going to be hours but the test was stopped after 1.
I have not yet seen the results of the test but am worried there are major issues because the test was stopped. Would anyone know why a test would be stopped so early? I have been in three car accidents.. This is work Comp and I'm wondering how will doctor really be able to assess me? She never received any test scores and had to contact her attorney for a letter that was extremely uninformed and couldn't seem to answer the initial question at all.
Why she had short term memory troubles and headaches since her accident. For the enormous price paid for the test, very disappointed with the company and how they treated my daughter. I don't think I passed out but my confusion was documented by paramedics. I had these tests done by the insurance agency doctor. Results; can't work or function 25 months and trying to fight insurance for treatments. How can neuropsychologist destroy a persons health? How does a person heal with no guidance?
I've never had brain problems before and now the basics are too much. Any advice or help appreciated. Had driver testing on machines and passed with flying colors. Report from driver evaluator said great but must rely on neuropsych results. I have depression, PTSD, anxiety and chronic back pain. I have been told no one will sign off for me to take testing for DL for fear of their license.
They want me to take another Nuero testing. I am scheduled for a evaluation soon. I was a nurse prior to an accident a little over a year ago and a mother to 3 boys 2 that are autistic. I specialized in taking care of Alzheimer patients prior as well. I now know way too much regarding neurological problems.
These comments scare me to no end. I'm already getting the same response from all my doctors mind-blown some things are not in a book and I feel like a puzzle they're all trying to put together but there's so many missing pieces. The only true ones that understand brain injuries are the ones that unfortunately have them. If anyone would like to discuss this matter more with me please contact me via email amandacarolsowell gmail. That's is ridiculous to rely on this test for anyone's care and treatment.
This is a medical scam to all those who have suffered brain trauma. Something needs to change,. From the Corp field to now being unable to work it has taken it's toll on me and those close to me. My support people monitor me expecting me to trip up but I won't! The world doesn't understand Brain injury until they personally experience it, because we appear normal.
Just trying to read this article and follow the big words and descriptions sent my brain into a spin, then replying on my smartphone is an achievement for me I rest my case and my brain We must continue to push or boundaries. Ever think who pays the bills What do insurance company's do I am writing this comment as a reply to last some people below. These tests are not a sham. There is plenty of evidence that they provide scientifical information about how your behavior is related to your brain. The problem is not in the tests, but in who applies and interprets them. But only those that have proper training PhD in clnical psych with neuro track, neuro intenrship, neuro residencny cand interpret scores in a professional an accurate way.
I'm sorry to say, but a student that keeps leaving the room is a stupid one and should not even be in the field of neuropsychology. I was a student once, everyone was, but I've never tested a patient without knowing instructions and without knowing what to do next.
At first it's overwhelming because there are many things you have to keep in mind. But for the love of God, write checklist and have it with you with your patient. I don't understand why would you accept to be tested by such individual. Students are also supervised by board certified neuropsychologists.
I am a clinical neuropsychologist and if any of my students would do that, I would kick them off my service. They don't belong in this field. Not everyone is competent enogh, please be careful when you chose your neuropsychologist for testing. This is extremely well said. I wish there were more people like you. I am a future Neuropsychologist PsyD. Everything you said about training is very true. I started my practicums in Neurology, and will continue with Neurosurgery and hope to match for a Neuropsychology Internship and then residency.
It makes such a difference to be in Neurology versus Psychiatry or Psychology when training to be a Neuropsychologist. The foundation needed to truly understand the application clinically of neuroanatomy see through EEG, MRI and CT and their relationships to patient's clinical presentations of their chief complains is necessary. I am a neuropsychologist PhD. I am so glad that you are training in Neurology and Neurosurgery, as these areas are critical for understanding the presentations and underlying causes of brain injury and neurologic illness.
I will say that I have found a good understanding of psychology and psychiatry equally important in understanding patient concerns, informing diagnoses, and guiding treatment recommendations. I hope you are incorporating these areas into your training as well. I have taken two neurophyscological exams, one referral from my neurologist and one given by the Division of Blind Services. The experiences were very different. The person my neurologist referred me to had her assistant administer the test.
Once I told her that I knew I had left inattention, she told the assistant to remind me to look to the left! Guess we weren't going to notice any inattention then. The test took a couple of hours. I had to take a break in the middle due to my problems with visual overload. They completely ignored this.
The result of the test was that I cannot work due to depression which is true , but said that I had few cognitive problems. The second test went much better. It took most of a day.